{"id":977,"date":"2017-07-18T11:30:15","date_gmt":"2017-07-18T11:30:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/reformingretail.com\/?p=977"},"modified":"2019-01-23T08:34:20","modified_gmt":"2019-01-23T14:34:20","slug":"another-cloud-pos-raises-its-prices-so-where-exactly-is-pricing-equilibrium","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/reformingretail.com\/index.php\/2017\/07\/18\/another-cloud-pos-raises-its-prices-so-where-exactly-is-pricing-equilibrium\/","title":{"rendered":"Another Cloud POS Raises Its Prices. So Where Exactly Is Pricing Equilibrium?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s long been debated whether cloud POS prices at $100\/mo were economical. Many legacy incumbents no doubt wanted the answer to be no, but there&#8217;s no way of knowing the truth without auditing the books of cloud POS companies.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we do know.<\/p>\n<p>Selling to brick and mortar merchants is probably the most uneconomical exercise one could undertake. As <a href=\"https:\/\/www.quora.com\/profile\/Jason-M.-Lemkin\">Jason Lemkin<\/a> has pointed out to us before, these are the acceptable sales cycles for investible businesses.<\/p>\n<p class=\"qtext_para\">1.&nbsp; Deals &lt; $2,000 in ACV (annual contract value) should close on average within 14 days.<\/p>\n<p class=\"qtext_para\">2.&nbsp; Deals &lt; $5,000 in ACV should close on average within 30 days.<\/p>\n<p class=\"qtext_para\">3.&nbsp; Deals &lt; $25,000 in ACV should close on average within 90 days.<\/p>\n<p class=\"qtext_para\">4.&nbsp; Deals &lt; $100,000 in ACV should close on average within 90-180 days depending on # of stakeholders and gates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"qtext_para\">5.&nbsp; Deals &gt; $100,000 in ACV will take on average 3-6 months to close.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s walk through the math of a normal merchant to drive home the point. You have a product that costs $100\/mo (the POS we&#8217;re investigating in this case). Depending on the number of terminals, that&#8217;s a &lt; $2,000 ACV category purchase.<\/p>\n<p>So how long does it take merchants to buy? We hear average sales cycles of six weeks. If we look back to Jason&#8217;s guidelines, the POS would need to squeeze $10,000 a year from this account to justify this amount of effort: <strong>nearly 5x what they&#8217;re making on the POS software itself<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Some POS companies will do that by bundling payments (Toast) to drive another ~$2,000\/year, and others will try to move bolt-on products and services. Still, even optimistically, none of these efforts will reach $10,000\/year in remittances to the POS provider.<\/p>\n<p>Some POS companies think they&#8217;ll increase revenue by increasing their prices.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lightspeedhq.com\/\">Lightspeed POS<\/a> has been around for a long time and they&#8217;re trying this tactic themselves.<\/p>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-978\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=770%2C543\" alt=\"\" width=\"770\" height=\"543\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?w=1488&amp;ssl=1 1488w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=300%2C212&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=768%2C542&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=1024%2C723&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=370%2C261&amp;ssl=1 370w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=270%2C191&amp;ssl=1 270w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.21-PM.png?resize=740%2C522&amp;ssl=1 740w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/> <img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-979\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=770%2C273\" alt=\"\" width=\"770\" height=\"273\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?w=1498&amp;ssl=1 1498w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=300%2C107&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=768%2C273&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=1024%2C364&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=370%2C131&amp;ssl=1 370w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=270%2C96&amp;ssl=1 270w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/reformingretail.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Screen-Shot-2017-06-22-at-12.40.30-PM.png?resize=740%2C263&amp;ssl=1 740w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>We can only think these price increases are justified by Lightspeed&#8217;s investors who are needing the company to hit profitability, even if it&#8217;s just a small profit. This will undoubtedly fuel knee jerk reactions from legacy POS companies and their dealers who will shout, &#8220;See! I told you those cloud systems were too damn cheap!&#8221; They&#8217;ll come to the conclusion that low pricing was underwritten by their investors, and now investors are running out of patience.<\/p>\n<p><strong>There&#8217;s no doubt a sliver of truth in this, but it completely ignores the larger trend.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The long-term value of POS revenues are in the data and the connectivity around that data. We&#8217;ve <a href=\"http:\/\/reformingretail.com\/index.php\/2016\/10\/19\/pos-will-be-free-and-that-will-increase-merchant-revenues-heres-why\/\">written a number of posts<\/a> on this inevitability, but we can rehash a few opportunities off the cuff.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Connected POS will make money from online ordering and delivery. Cloud POS can charge a commission fee to facilitate online ordering to portals like Google and Yelp<\/li>\n<li>Connected POS will make money from bolt-on merchant tools by having access to POS data, either by building tools themselves (the dangerous approach), partnering with, or buying solution providers<\/li>\n<li>Connected POS will make money syndicating aggregate POS data to suppliers, distributors, market research firms and others<\/li>\n<li>Connected POS will make money from automated marketing by partnering with advertising platforms and measuring lift<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>These opportunities will easily help POS companies reach $10,000\/year in ACV<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>So what you have are two competing forces on POS prices:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Venture capital\/investor pull-back, which means cloud ISVs need to increase their prices to reach profitability on their own merit<\/li>\n<li>Smart POS leadership leveraging all their data\/assets to create new and offsetting revenue streams that allow them to drop POS prices further<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>You&#8217;d have to be a real troglodyte to ignore that the <a href=\"http:\/\/reformingretail.com\/index.php\/2016\/10\/19\/why-payments-companies-should-eventually-buy-all-meaningful-pos-companies\/\">world&#8217;s largest companies<\/a> have built effective monopolies off proprietary data. Therefore number two above will win out in spades.<\/p>\n<p>But we recognize brick and mortar industries are chock full of tightly held dogmas that were proven wrong years ago in more sophisticated markets, so we&#8217;re not holding our breaths either.<\/p>\n<p><script async=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/widget.websitevoice.com\/UMwLESBjj1uq-UOHwOeBBw\"><\/script><br \/>\n<script>\n  window.wvData=window.wvData||{};function wvtag(a,b){wvData[a]=b;}\n  wvtag('id', 'UMwLESBjj1uq-UOHwOeBBw');\n  wvtag('widget-style', {\n    backgroundColor: '#F5953E',\n    contrast: 'wv-contrast-dark'\n  });\n<\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s long been debated whether cloud POS prices at $100\/mo were economical. Many legacy incumbents no doubt wanted the answer to be no, but there&#8217;s no way of knowing the truth without auditing the books of cloud POS companies. Here&#8217;s what we do know. 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